09:36:57 From Regina Moser : Yes, love this model it is incredibly helpful 09:38:28 From Ann Lancaster : The Invisible Child by Andrea Elliott 09:40:12 From Lynn Huber : Iliff had a SUPERB presentation on CRT last week, and perhaps if folks write them to ask for a link to the recording, they would share it. 09:41:20 From Martha Doran : What is iliff? 09:41:31 From Melissa (she/her) Vander Plaats : Iliff is a seminary in Colorado 09:41:50 From Martha Doran : thanks 09:42:08 From Jonathan White : https://www.iliff.edu/dialogues/ 09:44:09 From Janet H : From Janet Does CRT believe in systemic racism? 09:45:23 From Pam Winthrop Lauer : @Janet- yes, CRT includes the idea that racism is systemic 09:49:00 From Judy Walsh-Mellett : On Being has a thoughtful interview with Menakem and D’Angelo together. 09:49:29 From Melissa (she/her) Vander Plaats : ^^^ 09:50:27 From Lynn Huber : Please send a link to the Krista Tibbet conversation if possible. Thank you for this great (so far) discussion. 09:50:52 From Jonathan White : https://onbeing.org/programs/robin-diangelo-and-resmaa-menakem-towards-a-framework-for-repair/ 09:51:45 From Ann Lancaster : “Woke” Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black America by John McWhorte 10:00:25 From Jana Lynn Almeida : I try to name it 10:03:22 From Mary Anne Geskie, PhD : The experience of embracing ones discomfort is the process called Bio-spiritual Focusing by McMahon and Campbell……originally from Edward Glendlin 10:04:50 From Anna Singh Deo : With great gratitude, Jane, for your kind and courageous attention given to cultivating anti-racism 🙏🏼 10:05:30 From jeanine boucher-colbert : Yes ^^^^great gratitude. 10:20:59 From Lisa Sadleir-Hart : Again, absolutely rich to be in the breakout rooms! 10:21:23 From Susan Campbell : noticed connection 10:21:29 From Joan Peyser : surprised to what makes me uncomfortable. 10:21:30 From Danielle Henson : Desire to understand 10:21:30 From Debra Schneider : discomfort in my gut 10:21:31 From Catherine Bartley : we are trying to be open 10:21:32 From Lynn Huber : Noticed where in my body the anxiety resides 10:21:33 From Lisa Sadleir-Hart : I noticed that I could shift and really listen and not need to respond 10:21:34 From Robyn Dean : non judgement 10:21:35 From Shirin McArthur : I was reminded that others are at different stages of the process of owning white fragility 10:21:36 From Kathy Shimpock : feeling 10:21:39 From Janice Lowell : expansiveness of white privilege 10:21:40 From . Erlina Edwards : Trauma must be recognized in this process 10:21:43 From jeanine boucher-colbert : notice how my belly is a good place to check in for my discomfort.... 10:21:43 From Owen Burgess : noticed how complex my background is 10:21:44 From Lisa Beacham : I'm not at beginning of this journeybut still have long way to go. 10:21:44 From Kathryn Eve : I’m not alone in my discomfort 10:21:45 From Ramona Harris : gentle listening 10:21:46 From Regina Moser : stressful in the body 10:21:48 From Maureen Connors : It’s ok to be uncomfortable! 10:21:48 From Kathleen Ellis : new ways to address uncomfortable situations and feelings 10:21:50 From Janet H : Janet: body reactions to imaginings and discussion 10:21:51 From Chantel Schmitz : shame 10:21:51 From Barbara Gulick : we are all fragile 10:21:53 From Martha Doran : noticed growing awareness 10:21:53 From Ron Spann : the courage of others to be transparent about their fragility 10:21:55 From Sheryl Rose : I am not alone in white fragility 10:21:56 From Judy Walsh-Mellett : I noticed that I can be judgmental of other white people’s fragility and that having compassion with that is vital. 10:21:56 From Lynne Lew : NOT pushing the uncomfortability away makes my body more present and alive 10:21:57 From Barbara Meyers : It exists and knowing it will be uncomfortable. We need to step into it. 10:22:00 From Margaret Benefiel : Common journey 10:22:00 From Antoinette Adjarusaro : notice the impact on the other, not my intention 10:22:01 From Alice Holstein : noticed similarity of responses to fragiliitiy 10:22:01 From Kay Riley : That embracing my discomfort lessens the pain 10:22:04 From Karen Linser : Conflict among our own families and communities, even if "white"--similar process of disrespect 10:22:05 From Martha Doran : speak when others are ready to hear 10:22:05 From Mary Garbesi : Good to talk with others about this. 10:22:05 From Paula Fitzgerald : fragility intersects with other communication styles and patterns (introvert, internal processor...) 10:22:06 From Kathleen Egan : Harder to relate to people for whom this is new 10:22:06 From Nancy Santamaria : we feel similarly uncomfortable 10:22:06 From Catherine Maine : significance of strength in our own bodies 10:22:08 From Mary Anne Geskie, PhD : I learned that we white folks are very afraid to upset the apple cart in this area 10:22:11 From Martha Doran : speak truth to power 10:22:14 From Duane Brown : We all need practice sitting with our discomfort and the self-judgment that often goes with it. 10:22:15 From Lavera Wade : we are all together on this journry 10:22:19 From Margaret Swavely : I noticed openness to discomfort and willingness to change 10:22:21 From Annette Schmeling : Nearly everyone wants to be seen as being a good person 10:22:28 From Susan Kamin : everyone is holding subtle and not so subtle stress around the topic 10:22:29 From Robert Coppadge : Discomfort with the vulnerability I experience. 10:22:33 From kevin Laughlin : Consolation to desolation in small doses, little ways, little virtues. Opening self and other to the BIPOC reality. 10:22:36 From Robert S : I learn that speaking resides; great fear listening is okay 10:22:36 From Tami Seigal : I noticed that it’s hard to focus inward. 10:22:37 From Joseph Spina : I noticed a deep genuine concern and openness to White fragility 10:22:39 From Sylvia Horvath : Eager to see my own attitudes of white privilege 10:22:39 From Lisa Beacham : noticing my discomfort and embracing, leaning it 10:22:41 From Stephen Hoke : As soon as one person breaks the ice and begins to share honestly and vulnerably, it immediately engages and invites us to share as well, and teaches iust to listen 10:22:47 From Martha Doran : desolation and consolation frames for discomfort and comfort 10:22:52 From Petra van de Water (she/her) : Once sitting and accepting discomfort use to change injustice 10:22:54 From Elizabeth Poilievre : noticed my discomfort 10:22:57 From Kathryn Madden : Need for more awareness on the physical level 10:23:09 From Milly Johnson : Noticed a Comaraderie in our openness to not knowing.. a depth of caring to change … grow 10:23:13 From Bob Thomas : similar encounters 10:24:18 From Stephen Hoke : What is that word again? 10:24:31 From Lisa Sadleir-Hart : Micro-aggressions 10:24:33 From Martha Doran : micro agressoins 10:25:16 From Annette Schmeling : Definition of microaggression : a comment or action that subtly and often unconsciously or unintentionally expresses a prejudiced attitude toward a member of a marginalized group (such as a racial minority) 10:25:32 From Paula Fitzgerald to Ann Lancaster(Direct Message) : Can you post the reference to Norma Johnson poem that Jane mentioned just before break? 10:26:32 From Ann Lancaster to Paula Fitzgerald(Direct Message) : I don't have that handy, please ask in the general chat and someone else might know! 10:26:41 From Paula Fitzgerald to Ann Lancaster(Direct Message) : Thanks 10:27:41 From Paula Fitzgerald : Does anyone have the reference for Norma Johnson poem (?) that Jane mentioned just before the break? 10:28:10 From Martha Doran : I think its in the Reference List she gave as am embedded link 10:29:06 From Brenda Williams : YouTube Norma Johnson, A Poem for My White Friends: I Didn’t Tell You 10:29:14 From Kathleen Egan : Welcoming prayer can help to surface what is under the feelings rather than push them away 10:30:39 From Annette Schmeling : Norma Johnson poem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UVIgjuovt8 10:32:47 From Debra Schneider : What about compassion? Standing with the other heart to heart. Your pain is my pain. 10:33:21 From Martha Doran : I am so grateful; and will need to catch the rest as a recording…until next week! Much gratitude 10:34:22 From kevin Laughlin : When we consider the micro-aggressions it has been helpful for me to borrow the RESPECTFUL model of Counseling; The "Image", keeps me mindful in Spiritual Direction practice and centers me in my intentional discomfort of listening. 10:37:27 From Deb Handrich : Last week the harm of doctrine of discovery was mentioned. I was asked to lead a book study using Sarah Augustine’s…The Land Is Not Empty. My church is having the connecting the author via zoom on Sunday morning November 21st to share with my faith community about this harmful doctrine and it’s harm to all and it’s interconnectedness to the world’s colonized cultural systems. The doctrine of discovery is directly connected to our subject of white supremacy and privilege. If you desire to learn more about this doctrine, I strongly recommend listening to Sarah on her podcast the doctrine of discovery and read her book listed above. If you are interested in listening to what she shares with my faith community on November 21st check out the FB page of Silverwood Mennonite Church as the service will be recorded live and posted. 10:37:34 From Joan Peyser : I, too, have been there and was in the minority for sure! 10:38:03 From Leslie Brinkman (she/her) : Thank you, Deb 10:41:21 From Kathleen Egan : Any reflection on doing SD with a person of color? 10:41:59 From Debra Schneider : Agreed. 10:42:53 From Judy Walsh-Mellett : A great on-line resource is: 10:43:04 From Judy Walsh-Mellett : https://theantiracisttable.com/ 10:43:27 From Maureen Slattery-Marsh : Person of colour? Are not white people also Persons of Colour? Is this not an 'othering' term? 10:44:05 From Linda Li : Jane, can you make the recording in these 4 sessions available? I missed your 1st session. 10:44:20 From sue ludemann : listen also for what is not being said 10:44:48 From Lisa Beacham : A staff member at my church asked me for referral for spiritual director. She is black and our Minister for Racial Justice so I knew I could be pretty upfront. Still asked her permission to be direct. And then asked her if she thought she would prefer a SD who was BIPOC. I would not have thought to do that if this issue had not been raised by SDI. 10:46:08 From Nancy Santamaria : Thank you so much once again. I appreciate this opportunity. Thank you for the wisdom offered presentation, in groups and chats. 10:46:54 From Kathleen Egan : thank you 10:47:44 From Myriam Klotz : Thank you so much. 10:47:49 From Margaret Benefiel : Thank you,, Jane!